Metro State Atheists

Promoting Science, Reason, and Secular Values

Calling Atheism A Religion…

“Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color” – Don Hirschberg

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October 24, 2008 - Posted by | atheism, Humor, Qoutes, religion | , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

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  1. Well, if you will allow a few comments from another point of view, the theory of evolution is indeed a belief system. There is no way for science to say with any certainty how the universe could have created itself from nothing 15 billion years ago. This statement of science must be taken by faith not fact seeing that it is impossible for science to prove their theories concerning how the universe came into existence. Any scientist who says they know how the universe created itself from nothing is simply not being honest.

    Nor is there any way for science to even guess how the enormous amounts of information needed to produce even a “simple” single-celled creature could have spontaneously been produced from nothing. The likelihood of this information producing itself from nothing has been compared to the chances of putting a bunch of monkeys in a room and have them randomly type on a keyboard and later come back and find that they have perfectly produced a copy of Webster’s dictionary without a dictionary to copy from.

    Then there is the enormous unlikelihood of that single cell evolving eyes capable of differentiating over 1 million colors and ears and taste and touch and complex skeletal structures and a mind and a will capable of design and art and music and love and faith all contained in one compact structure that is able to fathom the creation itself and behold the vastness of the universe. Holding to this view requires faith and a lot of it.

    When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, The moon and the stars, which You have ordained, What is man that You are mindful of him, And the son of man that You visit him? For You have made him a little lower than the angels, And You have crowned him with glory and honor. You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet, All sheep and oxen– Even the beasts of the field, The birds of the air, And the fish of the sea That pass through the paths of the seas. O LORD, our Lord, How excellent is Your name in all the earth!

    Comment by Russ | October 24, 2008

  2. “Well, if you will allow a few comments from another point of view, the theory of evolution is indeed a belief system. There is no way for science to say with any certainty how the universe could have created itself from nothing 15 billion years ago.”

    This is almost nothing to do with the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution is meant to explain the mechanisms of life, not the origins of the universe itself. What your talking about is cosmology, not evolutionary biology.

    “This statement of science must be taken by faith not fact seeing that it is impossible for science to prove their theories concerning how the universe came into existence.”

    Scientist don’t deal with proofs, mathematicians do. That the universe began 15 billion years ago is simply what the evidence seems to indicate as being the most probably. However, you are correct in saying we can’t assume it created itself. In fact, the mechanism of the origin of the universe unknown is largely confined to the study of theoretical physics. How it began, I have no idea, but that it began 15 billion years ago seems much pretty indisputable.

    “Nor is there any way for science to even guess how the enormous amounts of information needed to produce even a “simple” single-celled creature could have spontaneously been produced from nothing.”

    This also had very little to do with the theory evolution. The origins of life are, scientifically, still of a somewhat speculative nature. God, aliens, organic evolution…who known. However, the assumption that life began naturally is at least scientifically consistent. This means as far as speculative assumptions go, this one is at least more likely to be true.

    “The likelihood of this information producing itself from nothing has been compared to the chances of putting a bunch of monkeys in a room and have them randomly type on a keyboard and later come back and find that they have perfectly produced a copy of Webster’s dictionary without a dictionary to copy from.”

    This analogy completely ignores the parameters imposed by natural selection and information theory.

    “Then there is the enormous unlikelihood of that single cell evolving eyes capable of differentiating over 1 million colors and ears and taste and touch and complex skeletal structures and a mind and a will capable of design and art and music and love and faith all contained in one compact structure that is able to fathom the creation itself and behold the vastness of the universe. Holding to this view requires faith and a lot of it.”

    Why is it unlikely? And so what if it is. Given the number of environments in the universe, their should be millions of outliers within even our own galaxy. If there is a probability of life developing on only .0001% of all habitable worlds in the universe, their would still be billions of planets supporting life. However improbable we might be, we do exist and thats a matter of fact.

    Thanks for your comment. Unfortunately, one can not possibly address adequately all of your concerns in a single sitting. But I hope you find my response informative.

    – Chalmer

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | October 24, 2008


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