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Mourning Mumbai

I’m sure everyone has heard about the terrorist attacks in Mumbai.  Having heard a thousand times that Atheism preempts one from having any kind of moral or ethical framework.  Such a supposition also seems to go hand in hand with the idea that, without God watching over us, we have no reason to be good people.

Well, my heart is heavy for the lives lost in Mumbai.  I don’t need any kind of deity or bad consequences to make me empathetic.  I care because I’m human.

– Chalmer


November 30, 2008 Posted by | atheism, Blurb | , , , , | 1 Comment

The Shearing Cuts by Riki Mathews

shearing-cuts1Snowing outside—bright, glazed white porcelain snow glinting diagonal streaks across the dull, matte white, horizontal blinds. Warm inside, light grey steamy mists rising perpendicular to darker grey, vertical heating pipes. Cold sunlight crosses hot lamp light, casting a lace collar on the faded, ash-blonde wood floor. A chiaroscuro painting.

My black hair drifts in clumps to the floor—point, counterpoint, snippets alternating with the white, old man’s hair falling outside. A mulch-covering ritual of renewal.

Clip, clip, snip scissors, the shears shearing. A perfect haiku: white spring snow and me, thick, black hair on a diminutive Japanese girl. Or, thick, harsh snow burning a cold January day and me, tall, heavy-boned black woman, crimps of wiry hair, hair in glassy, black waves—an ocean tangling into the African ivory coastline. The snow’s cruel light gleams, thick and gagging, a chalky milkshake, threatening to choke and kill. Or, a dense, onerous snow trudging across the Russian Steppes, asphyxiating the land, crushing the houses, and me, moon-faced, unblinking—staunch. And inside I am warm, surrounded by tufts of hair, molting clumps from a stuffed Panda Bear.

I tenderly collect hair to braid into a rug, to cover with dust, cover with cat hair, cover as it covers—to be worn down back into the elements. Or, this gathering of hair, I will weave as the bottom of a wicker chair, supporting friends that come and go, supporting dust, supporting cat hair, supporting as it is supported. Thus start the years of collecting hair, hair constantly pruned short to fulfill such purposes.

I beg (steal) hair. Rescued from lovers, from friends, from strangers, …. swept from beauty parlors finely stained wood, from barbershops dust-covered, dull linoleum floors, from waste baskets in bathrooms, from brushes and combs patiently culled without breaking the knots and tangles. Workrooms deep in drifting, shifting color-spectrumnal hair—cotton white to Tupelo honey, Poppy red to the deep purple of ripe plums, leisurely loops to ringlets, electric shock waves to water flows. A wondrous fey-lock palette.

Space and history, I weave, time and emotion, I weave—shirts, jackets, dresses, pants…. Chiaroscuro body maps lined with purple amethyst Chinese silk. Hair-knittes huggings holding humans against the cold, the dirt, the outside that sometimes taps, sometimes scratches against my windows. My closests spill stories of dead cells shorn to be renewed, journeys of celebrations and mournings, of beginnings, changes, and ends—people I have never met, people I thought I knew, people I knew for only a while, and the very few I knew forever in the rhythm of their heartbeat. No, they never stay….. But I have their hair—and all that encompasses.

by Riki Mathews.  Check out her blog at The Trickster Tells.

November 29, 2008 Posted by | Poetry, The Trickster | , , , , , | 1 Comment

More On Atheist Billboards In Colorado

Here is a blog about the Colorado Coalition of Reasons 11 secular billboards by Splendid Elles, our honourary evil high school genius.

More on Atheist Billboards in Colorado

November 29, 2008 Posted by | atheism, News | , , , | 1 Comment

Metro State Atheists In The Rocky Mountain News

Joel, President of Metro State Atheists, was interviewed by for an article in the Rocky Mountain News regarding the the Colorado Coalition of Reasons secular billboards.  The article, qouted below, was written by Bill Johnson.

The message is but eight words divided into two short sentences set against puffy white clouds on a blue and black background.

One of the men behind the billboard message says his life has been threatened because of it, which seems an odd thing since those doing the threatening all profess to be Christians.

Just eight words:

“Don’t believe in God?” the upper left of the billboard reads. “You are not alone,” the lower right says.

I have no idea how many times I have passed the sign in the days since it went up at Colfax Avenue and Quebec Street on Nov. 17, but I never noticed it until someone pointed it out the other day.

I don’t get the fuss. And yes, I appear to be alone in this.

The billboard is one of 11 in Denver and Colorado Springs paid for by a group that calls itself the Colorado Coalition of Reason, a self-described coalition of “freethinker, atheist and humanist” groups.

The sole purpose of the ads, the group maintains, is what it says: to let other freethinkers, atheists and humanists know there is a group out there for them.

Two of the 11 signs were supposed to go up in Fort Collins and Greeley, the group said. This was so until the moment the media company that owns the two billboards read the message.

The hate mail and nasty, threatening phone messages began almost immediately.

Much of it has been directed at Joel Guttormson, who mostly has been serving as a spokesman for COCORE, as they call it.

Twenty-two and a Metro State junior majoring in theoretical mathematics, Guttormson also is president of the Metro State Atheists, one of the 11 groups that make up COCORE.

“It’s been kind of wild, kind of outrageous,” he says of days since the billboards went up.

“It has been mostly Christians who’ve been calling and e-mailing,” Joel Guttormson said, “which is strange since the message is not directed at Christians or anyone from any religion.

“You know, if you see an ad for migraine medicine and you don’t have a migraine, why would you care?”

Almost all of the feedback, he said, has been from people who say the billboards denigrate Christians. He says he still has no idea how that is possible.

“We are not out to anger people,” Joel Guttormson said. “I don’t know why people think that. So much of it says we are evil and that we hate everybody.

“Have you seen the billboard? Tell me where any of them mentions evil or hate. Why is everyone so mad?”

John Matson, of Denver, was so mad after seeing the Santa Fe Drive sign that he dashed off an angry letter to the billboard’s owner.

“It is a despicable act to allow that sign,” the 60-year-old man said in an interview, “and for just a few pieces of silver.”

He went on COCORE’s Web site, and it made him even angrier, John Matson said. It is trying to gather, he said, “a constituency of what I call mob rule.”

“I know they’re atheists, and my opinion is they want others to believe the same thing. The billboard misrepresents their purpose,” he said. “Their agenda is wolf-in-sheep’s clothing political. Why don’t they just say it.”

Yes, he is a Christian, John Matson said.

“I also understand free speech. And I can also stand up and tell them that they are wrong.”

He has yet, he said, to hear back from the billboard company.

That is about the tone of much of what he has heard, Joel Guttormson said. He saves each call, files the e-mails in a folder.

“I read them, put them away and forget about it,” he says. “My sister keeps telling me I need to watch out for myself.”

He began investigating religion and faith early on, he said, and by high school he was a confirmed atheist.

People ostracized him. It is rare now that he even mentions it outside of his group, he said.

“I don’t tell people at work. I keep my mouth shut.”

Atheism, he said, scares people, the mere possibility that God doesn’t exist.

He remembers one woman running away from an event his group sponsored, “saying that if she listened to us, she would go to hell. I just sat there thinking, ‘Wow! We’re really that awful?’ ”

He is braced for the next few weeks. It is what he calls the radical Christians that are making the most noise, Joel Guttormson said.

“I’ll spend more time defending this than anything else,” he said. “I’ve already learned that anything we do is not going to satisfy them. Anything we do or say is only going to make them more angry.”

I had only one more question:

Have the billboards, which will remain up through Dec. 14, worked?

“We’ve gotten fairly good response from a lot of like-minded people, including some people from out of state who heard about what we are doing,” Joel Guttormson said.

“The cool thing is we’ve even had some Christians step up and defend us. They know our message is no more offensive than one that reads:

“Believe in God? You’re not alone.”

To see the original article, click the on this link.

November 29, 2008 Posted by | atheism, Censorship, Christianity, god, Interview, News | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 2 Comments

Some Comments On G.K. Chesterton By Weston

I recently had the displeasure of reading some essays by the revered G.K. Chesterton, a man whom only very nice things are typically said about — which is a troublesome circumstance that I’d like to do my part in mitigating. Chesterton makes an irritating habit of writing entirely too much in defense of the truth of Christianity, while forgetting to actually address the matter of the truth in Christianity. He occasionally seems like he is going to say something related to this weighty issue, but instead prates endlessly on topics that require the affected proposition to have already been settled. The overall effect seems to be that several of his readers, maybe more, forget that he never addressed the issue of truth, and in silent befuddlement, follow Chesterton to the conclusions of his baseless chatter; rather than insist he start from the beginning like an ordinary person.
Though it would be fun to go through all of his essays that I have here and rebuke each of the nasty things he says about scientists, naturalists, people living before Christianity, Pagans, philosophers, Orientals, and well, pretty much anyone who isn’t a Christian — I’m instead going to select one essay from the bunch, by virtue of it being as bad as any other, and look at it more closely than one would ordinarily want to; which is to say, from a moderate distance.
In “The Paradoxes of Christianity” Chesterton gives a heartwarming account of how he, too, was once a dirty agnostic who read atheistic pamphlets and really, just gave the whole anti-Christianity thing his best. All was going well, torches and fuel had been collected for his first midnight church burning, and it seemed as if Night’s sordid chores would be brought unto completion; until he began to realize that everything he had read against Christianity contradicted itself: “Now I found that I was to hate Christianity not for fighting too little, but for fighting too much. Christianity, it seemed, was the mother of wars. Christianity had deluged the world with blood. I had got thoroughly angry with the Christian, because he never was angry. And now I was told to be angry with him because his anger had been the most huge and horrible thing in human history; because his anger had soaked the earth and smoked to the sun. . . . It was the fault of poor old Christianity (somehow or other) both that Edward the Confessor did not fight and that Richard Coeur de Lion did.”
I believe this was the first point in this particular essay at which I had to stop and reflect: “Hmm, this guy is supposed to be brilliant? Well, he’s certainly not that; unless he’s dishonest — well, at least maybe he’s just dishonest. I mean, the writing itself is pretty, would be a shame if its author were a dullard. Maybe he’s just dishonest.” It doesn’t seem very difficult to me to conceive of Christianity being both at once overly violent and overly meek. Actually, it seems the simplest thing to conceive of — I had a very similar experience the other day: I held one hand to a block of ice and another to a flame, and both at once I became too hot and too cold. I didn’t even pause to think about the inherent paradox in the situation; for if something is too cold and too hot at once, it must be a cozy 72 degrees Fahrenheit in total. Nope, instead, like a sensible person, I quit trying to freeze part of me while burning the other and withdrew from flame and ice alike.
Rather than concern himself with the fact that he’s not actually saying anything here, Chesterton continues by giving lots and lots of other examples which function in exactly the same manner and are thereby completely devoid of content, though very poetic. “Or again, Christianity was reproached with its naked and hungry habits; with its sackcloth and dried peas. But the next minute Christianity was being reproached with its pomp and its ritualism; its shrines of porphyry and its robes of gold.” He apparently is capable of tiring of this, and at some point moves on to find a superficial hypocrisy in the anti-Christians: “But I found that anti-Christians themselves had a contempt for woman’s intellect; for it was their great sneer at the Church on the continent that ‘only women’ went to it.” I would put it beyond even Chesterton to make the mistake of interpreting “women” literally here. I doubt that he even interpreted it wrongly at all, as he appears to. Why, assuming the term “women” isn’t being used literally, should it be a reference to someone’s lack of intelligence rather than lack of manliness? Probably it’s just another case of dishonesty on the part of our morally superior (I bet he’d agree with this illative qualifier) Christian author.
Let me offer one more solution to Chesterton’s paradoxes and then move on. Perhaps, Christianity is capable of promoting violence along side meekness and wealth with poverty because it is a stratified institution. Those couched in shrines of porphyry and robes of gold at the high echelons may repose on the broken backs of their lesser brothers; their brothers who, from this dominated position, have become servile, and who at the whim of their betters may also become fierce or feeble.
All of these contradictions cause Chesterton to withdraw some from his church burning, not give it up completely mind you, but withdraw some, to think about things: “I wished to be quite fair then, and I wish to be quite fair now; and I did not conclude that the attack on Christianity was all wrong. I only concluded that if Christianity was wrong, it was very wrong indeed.” However, as he didn’t conclude that it was very wrong indeed but very right indeed instead, he must also have concluded that there was something to these illusive contradictions. Which leads me to conclude that he is simple. No, he didn’t give in to Christianity at this point, rather he was just disturbed by the implied “odd shape of the Christian religion” by the anti-Christian attackers.
Eventually Chesterton progresses from finding Christianity oddly shaped to, unexpectedly, finding its attackers themselves contorted. Now the apparent contradictions may not be contradictions after all (never mind that they never were); perhaps those describing conflicting errors were using relative terms to describe them. Christianity wasn’t ‘rich’, those who said it was were just too poor; it wasn’t ‘poor’, those who said it was were just too rich. “The modern man found the Church too simple exactly where modern life is too complex; he found the Church too gorgeous exactly where modern life is too dingy.” It would have been interesting if he’d tried this philosophy on some of the contradictions which it was supposed to sort out. For example, is the Church found too violent exactly where modern life is too peaceful? Let’s also witness here further dishonesty by our author: he acquits the anti-Christian attacks of their contradictions through his subsequent attack on the anti-Christians themselves; however, the acquittal is only implicit, and his reader is left feeling that the anti-Christians should still be mocked for what they have been forgiven.
Interestingly, Chesterton’s next move is to disregard what he’d said about the relative language of Christianity’s attackers to, instead, embrace their contradictions in a new cast: “Paganism declared that virtue was in a balance; Christianity declared it was in a conflict: the collision of two passions apparently opposite. Of course they were not really inconsistent; but they were such that it was hard to hold simultaneously.” He starts with an earnest search for truth that leads him away from Christianity, then closer back to it when its opponents ‘contradict’ each other, then closer still when the contradictions are found to be false, and then back securely home when the contradictions are termed otherwise: “Anyone might say, ‘Niether swaggor nor grovel’; and it would have been a limit. But to say, ‘Here you can swagger and there you can grovel’ — that was an emancipation.” Now the contradictions are the mother of balance and the Church’s greatest gift.
The whole journey is incoherent, and his description of it is dishonest if he actually possessed a tithe of the brilliance credited to him. I think he probably had the means for discovering the falsity of Christianity, but he was too emotionally attached. In his careless youth, he must have impetuously decided to consider his beliefs and ended up losing them. Only through much subsequent self-delusion was he able to construct elaborate enough excuses for a return to Christianity endorsed by his repressed rational mind. This is of course fine, and expected; it is in fact the only way faith could operate. The problem I see with the whole thing is that, aside from maybe C.S. Lewis, Chesterton is supposed to make the best arguments for Christianity. Instead, he makes a profound disappointment, and his attitude toward non-Christians is anything but exemplary.

By Weston

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November 29, 2008 Posted by | atheism, Christianity, philosophy, religion | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 6 Comments

It’s the most Solstice time of the year.

We are now fast approaching that wonderful time, commonly known as the Holiday Season.  After recently seeing Jeff Dunham’s recent (and hilarious) holiday special, about 6 times, something Walter (one of his puppet personalities) said, captures the feelings of a lot Christians who feel that there is an awful “War on Christmas” and that their (silly) beliefs about a god-baby being born, are being oppressed.  I may sound harsh, but let me tell you about the joke in question. ” Jeff: Happy Holidays! Walter: Ya know, I’ve been meaning to say this for a few years now. Screw you, it’s Merry Christmas! (audience cheers) Jeff: But Walter, there are other religions. Walter: Yea, and they’re wrong!.”  Although this may not be exact, it’s close enough to make the point.  I find it curious that Christianity can take this kind of attitude about other religions yet they are the ones being oppressed and everyone is conducting a War on Christmas.  Now, this blog is not going to do what many similar blogs have done and expound on the debauchery of the history surrounding Christmas. This has be done ad nauseam.  Here, I’d like to talk about the taboo subject of: Christian Intolerance.

To all the moderate, i-don’t-hurt-anybody-with-my-beliefs/they-aren’t-REAL-Christians Christians, I’d like to inform you that, yes they are “REAL” Christians.  If not only because that’s a judgement call your religion isn’t supposed to be making in the first place.  Who are you to decide that? (“Judge not lest ye be judged” ringing a bell?)    And secondly, if you aren’t speaking out or against the following, you’re an enabler and are just a guilty.

First, Happy Holidays to all.  I say this, not to be politically correct, but to show tolerance for the beliefs of others.  It may seem strange to some of the more religiously inclined, to hear that from an atheist.  There are many holidays going on at this time of year.  The most prominent of them are Christmas, Hanukkah, and Kwanzaa.  I’ve had people ask me over the years, “So if you’re an atheist, does that mean you don’t/can’t celebrate Christmas?”.  This is a loaded question, to some extent, so I’ll try and give the most informative and satisfying answer I can. (*Please note: I do not speak for all atheists, the following is simply my personal account of my celebration practices and does represent, in totality, atheists in general)

After researching the origins of Christmas, which I celebrate for its material value (not its religious value) for many years as an atheist, I found that most of the practices of the tradition (ie the tree, the decorations, Santa and so on) weren’t Christian at all.  So yes, I do, in a sense celebrate Christmas.  On the other hand, Christmas, being stolen almost outright from the Pagans for northern Europe, has a more real meaning in the way it was originally celebrated.  The people of northern Europe equated Winter with death.  Who wouldn’t living there in those days?  The reason for the tree, specifically a fur tree, was because the people of northern Europe observed that those tree were about one of the only things that didn’t die in the Winter season.  Thus, it came to be a representation of life overcoming death (sound familiar to anyone you’ve heard of?…See Easter 😉 ).  Thus, the tradition began of bringing a fur tree into one’s house as to bring this representation, to them the power, of life.  They did this around December 21st because that is the date of the Winter Solstice.  This is, amazingly enough, the time when peoples of the day could notice (because they had no cities to obscure their view) that this was the shortest day of the year and that Winter was going away, however slowly.  This was the cause of great celebration. It meant that soon, but never soon enough, they would be free of the death that was the cold and snow of the season.  Therefore, I, for similar, although not identical reasons, have decided that this celebration is quite a bit more valid than celebrating the mythical birth of a mythical person that more than likely never existed at all.  So the short answer is, I celebrate the material part of Christmas (the presents, who doesn’t like presents) and the naturalistic side of the Solstice.  So, I guess you could say I celebrate Solstmas.  This is a legitimate holiday to celebrate.  Not to sound too conceded, but again, it is my opinion that celebrating the Solstice or Solstmas, is far more legitimate than lighting 8 candles for a seemingly random display of pageantry or reminiscing about events surrounding a mythical baby-god, that probably never happened in what is today Israel.

However, do not take all this to mean I believe that if you DO celebrate the holidays I consider invalid and illegitimate that you should stop.  It is only my opinion and I am entitled to it.  Further, this is a subjective matter about which neither of us is right or wrong.  This is where the joke that Jeff tells, with his character Walter comes into play.  It’s not so much that Jeff, as Walter, says this.  It’s the fact that the audience, upon hearing this, erupts into cheers, as if he made a valid point, which he most certainly did not.  Holidays are not a matter of right and wrong.  Their origins often contain facts which are subject to such boolean objectivity, but their practice of them a purely subjective matter.  Therefore, I implore to those of you who believe that “Happy Holidays” is somehow a phrase meant to keep you from having your traditions and celebrations, to not be so judgmental.  Stand back, look in the mirror and try a pair of shoes on that you’re are unfamiliar with, see how they look on you, see how they feel, maybe even walk around in them a little bit.  Then, Merry Chis-ma-han-a-kwanz-ica it up all you want. Because when you say “Merry Christmas!” to me, I’ll reply (with good intention), “Merry Solstmas!” to you.

Happy Holidays to everyone!



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November 27, 2008 Posted by | atheism, Bible, Christianity, Lecture, philosophy, Politics, religion, science, Uncategorized | , , , , , , , | 1 Comment

Metropolitan Article

Here is an article about us, written by Nicole Queen, that was going to appear in The Metropolitan but didn’t end up making it past the editors.

Nicole Queen


Slug: Metro State Atheists: You Gotta Have Truth—Not Faith

The MSA is challenging theists and students to question their faith and be          knowledgeable about what they believe in by organizing events and speakers     like author Vic Stenger, at Auraria.

Author Victor Stenger, Ph.D., was raised as a church-going Catholic. As he grew older, his interest in science displaced his interest in God and church doctrine.

Stenger, 73, doesn’t believe in God and is coming to campus to tell Auraria not only why, but how science proves that a God or deity doesn’t exist at all. In fact, according to Stenger, “the world doesn’t look at all like it should if there was a God.”

On Monday Nov. 10 at 1:00 p.m. in the Tivoli Turnhalle, Stenger— a retired professor of physics and astronomy at the University of Hawaii and is currently an adjunct professor of philosophy at Colorado University in Boulder—will present the findings from his 2007 New York Times Bestsellers’ book, “God: The Failed Hypothesis; How Science Proves God Does Not Exist.” He will offer a question and answer session, followed with a book signing.

He was invited by the campus club, the Metro State Atheists (MSA), as part of the club’s mission to question theists and destroy misconceptions about atheism.

In the world of education, students are asked to question. Students are asked to seek answers. The MSA are asking the same of believers of God or any deity on and off campus.

“We give people information [about atheism], but then the next words out of our mouths are to say, ‘Do not believe us, don’t believe anybody just because we say it, go look it up,’” said MSCD junior Joel Guttormson, 22, president of the campus Metro State Atheists club. “We ask people to look it up, and we do ask people to be educated about their faith.”

Guttormson, who is majoring in theoretical mathematics, along with MSCD senior chemistry major and MSA Vice President Chalmer Wren, 22, founded the club three years ago. After changing the club’s name several times, Guttormson and Wren settled on MSA.

“We weren’t very creative with this name, but we figured, you know, that describes us the best,” Guttormson said. “It doesn’t need to be creative; it needs to tell you who we are.”

As the only club at Auraria devoted to secular beliefs, MSA has found their niche.

“The secular influence at Auraria is fleeting at best,” Wren said in an email interview. “The number of religious student organizations is astounding, and when we founded MSA we were, and have remained, the only student organization representing secular-minded individuals on campus.”

Wren and Guttormson hope that organizing events and hosting speakers like Stenger on campus helps to serve those individuals better.

“Authors like Vic Stenger are well-known and influential in the secular community and we hope that by bringing big names to campus we can encourage like-minded students to get involved,” Wren explained. “When we started this organization, I never imagined I would get to shake the hands of some of the very people who helped change my mind.”

As a freshman, Wren was a “church-going Christian,” but with studying science and philosophy, like Stenger, Wren began to doubt his familiar upbringing.

“The harder I fought to justify my belief, the more absurd it became,” he said. “…I came to a point in my life where I had to choose between what I thought to be true and what I knew to be comfortable.”

Not only does the MSA help to bring the secular community on campus together, but they also hope to help those who may not agree, understand what atheism is and isn’t.

“Atheists are not only misrepresented in society,” Guttormson said. “What stems from that misrepresentation is an irrational fear of atheists…We’re just like any other group of people, we just lack a belief in any deities.”

Guttormson said that the MSA’s goals are to educate people about atheism, remove the taboo of questioning religion and to confront pseudoscience (like reflexology) and not to argue and belittle people who have different beliefs.

From time to time, the MSA does run into conflict on campus, according to Guttormson. He recounted that at last year’s Fall Fest, MSA had a table for their club and some people got so irate the club needed to call campus security, and others burst into tears.

While they may not agree with what the MSA is trying to do, some of the religious clubs on campus have no problem sharing the campus with them.

Johnathan Stalls, MSCD senior and non-denominational Christian said he has no qualms with atheists.

“…Some of the atheists I know are some of the most passionate, intelligent people I know,” he said.

Stalls said it’s important to question your beliefs.

“For me, faith should always be tested, always,” he said.

The Rev. Ron Gustman, director of the campus club, Christian Challenge, he’d probably inform members of the Christian Challenge about Stenger’s presentation and some may go out of curiosity.

“I think they have every right to be on campus, just like us,” the Rev. Ron Gustman, director of the campus club Christian Challenge, said. “I believe strongly in the freedom of religion and to practice what you want to believe…”

Despite a niche for them at MSCD, the MSA has struggled within the community to organize humanitarian events like food drives and blood donation. Guttormson said many humanities programs around Denver are sponsored by religious groups and have told MSA they were not willing to work with them. In response, MSA is in the process of finding programs that will accept anybody who wants to help—belief or no belief. However, according to Guttormson, not all atheists simply believe in nothing.

“…I believe in the future of humanity as far as our ability, technology-wise, to sustain ourselves,” Guttormson said. “The other thing I’d say I believe is that human empathy, above all else, and personal responsibility, are the foundations of reality and that’s what drive human compassion and all other emotions that go along with it.”


Joel Guttormson: 720-936-6505

Ron Gustman: 303-750-5390

Johnathan Stalls:n 303-908-0076

Chalmer Wren: 303-693-0181 (h)

303-916-2318 ©

November 22, 2008 Posted by | Events, Lecture, News, Newsletter | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 4 Comments

“Sam Singleton Atheist Evangelist, Patriarchs and Penises”

Metro State Atheists


"Sam Singleton Atheist Evangelist, Patriarchs
and Penises"
A one-man "comedy in two acts"
in the form of Brother Sam first
preaching a sermon, then leading
the Bible Class. It runs for about
90 minutes plus one 15 minute intermission.
Purchase Tickets Online

Location: Turnhalle in the Tivoli
          900 Auraria Parkway
          Denver, CO, 80204
Date & Time: December 16, 2008, 7:00pm to 9:00pm
 Price: $15 for non-students, and $10 for
        students with valid ID
        Tickets available online at, or 1 hour
        before the show at the Turnhalle.
        Evolvefish merchandise will also be
        available for purchase.
Volunteer: We are looking for people to help
           us sell tickets and promote
           the show.  For each advanced ticket
           sold you will be paid one
           dollar.  Please let us know if
            your interested.  You can also go


Sam Singleton's Website
Purchase Tickets Online
Tour Dates
Videos of Sam
The Little Things

November 18, 2008 Posted by | Events, Humor, Lecture, News, science | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 1 Comment

Carbene Powerpoint

A short powerpoint presentation on carbenes that I did for a chemistry class.  I can’t figure out how to post it so its viewable online, so you can download the file.

Carbene Powerpoint

– Chalmer

November 17, 2008 Posted by | Chemistry, Lecture, Organic Chemistry, science | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | Leave a comment

Hate Mail!

So, we have never had hate mail before.  One article in CNN seemed to be enough to prompt the over dramatic frenzied mob of angry evangelicals.  Actually, its not that bad.  We didn’t get to much hate mail.  In fact, a good deal of it was positive.  Here are some excerpts from some of the more entertaing hate mails.

Here’s one from Mary Tilley

In regards to the recent article I just read about your ridiculous billboards. First of all, I’m a Christian and I don’t go around

Ostracizing those who are not so you’re way off base when you state that we as Christians ostrasize anyone who is not.

I have lots of friends who are muslim, jewish and hindu. I respect them and their way of worship and belief. I may not

Believe what they believe but I do respect them…at the very least…they believe in SOMETHING. You are a fool if you do

Not believe in anything because to believe in NOTHING is to believe in SOMETHING! I think most atheists (although

Not all of them), are lacking some kind of attention they didn’t receive as children and are trying to get it through any

Means possible. So really, the opposite it really the truth regarding what you state about atheists being “afraid” to come

Out…as if we’re all going to circle them and pounce them over the head with a bible and crucifix (give me a break okay).

I believe that there are those so called “atheists” who claim they don’t believe in God because they are too afraid to

Admit that there is something greater then themselves. In fact, there are those atheists too that actually DO believe but

Are too afraid to say they believe out of fear of being ostracized by other atheists.

2nd of all, you contradict your way of thinking and your way of belief by saying that you would have to “see to believe”.

I suppose that air your breathing isn’t really air, it’s just a figment of your imagination (or in fact there is no imaginiation, just

A irrational thought or perhaps a bad dream?).  No common sense whatsoever.

3rdly, Christians have much more  evidence that Christ existed than atheists have that he didn’t. If that weren’t even true,

We’d have something you don’t have…faith which is evidence of the unseen. Look around you and you will see that you were

Made by something bigger than your ego. The fact that you don’t believe doesn’t make it any less of a fact that He exists

And He made you and He IS going to have HIS WAY. You may think you are celebrating the “good life” but deep down inside

Of you and y ou know what I’m talking about…is that nagging question. This isn’t the movies mr. Goreman or whatever your

Name is…it’s reality and you’re in it…living it and God is watching everything you do and we as Christians are not going to

Run into the streets screaming like a bunch of idiots, please mr. goreman put down those billboards. We as Christians don’t need

Billboards to shout out to the rest of the world what we believe in. We are sound in our beliefs. We have HIM, we don’t need

A billboard. But, if that indeed is what it takes for you to feel like you are needed, loved and accepted by the rest of us…have

At it…you’re wasting your time…precious time. Instead, you could be helping the needy in your area by giving that money

Your using for those ridiculous billboards to puff up your already bloated egos, to those who are less fortunate than you.

Oh, but I forgot you’re an atheist…

The end

Here’s one from
I read the story on  It’s amazing that their are groups such as yours.  I can imagine. A bunch of brainy geeks sitting around a table saying “You don’t believe, I don’t either, Isn’t that great.”  Then what the heck do you people do ?  After you acknowledge to each other and confirm you are believers of nothing other than yourselves.
I guess you sit around and knock anyone that believes that their is a higher power other than the three people sitting at your table.

Please spend your time productively and positively.  If you just did that it would make the world a much better place.

Here’s one from Oliver Graham, threatening to to use our non-existent paypal account to bring us down.
What saddens me that you cannot see – is that your group is only doing this to instigate emotion from Christians and others who believe in God.  You are not doing this for any real, positive reason – it is just unbridled evil and hatred. YOU are the person without tolerance – YOU are ther person who is whining – YOU are the bigot.  Unless you are quicker than us – we are starting a movement to make .01 cent contributions to your groups through your paypal links – that is one penny you receive for every charge paypal will charge you.  We are about to do this all week long – you and yours will have quite the bill to pay with paypal.  Best of luck…
Here’s the pleasant Oliver again.  Think maybe we struck a nerve?

You are quite the despicable group of folks, are you not?  To filth the countryside with billboards against God is an offense against those of us who believe in Him.  Your arrogance and your lack of humanness is atrocious.  You’ve a right to believe what you will – but to make mockery of beliefs that founded our nation – your freedoms – is blatantly un-American.  You obviously feel no shame for your actions – but perhaps we can do a little something about advertising your members, boycotting their homes and businesses?  Would you be so kind as to send us your membership list please?  You’ve nothing to fear, of course, since you have no fear of God.

Well thats all for now.  Enjoy your weekend.

– Chalmer

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