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Light=God

Someone sent us this link to a forum, on Godlike Productions web page, about the “LIGHT CHANNELS WORLD MOVEMENT.”  Its capitalized, so you know they mean business.  The informative link begins with the following:

“On 26 FEB 2009 a Mega Event is arranged at Bangalore…
This is a Movement in Conscience. A Movement to make this world a beautiful place to live in Peace and Love. This is a Movement of Light without any sermons, banners or boundaries. Everyone and anyone is invited to join to make this the greatest Movement ever built.”

Not much to complain about here.  I don’t see anything wrong with trying to bring about a paradigm shift for peace and love.  If your not sure what a “Movement of Light” means, just wait, they do get to that a little later.  In the next few lines, though, things start to get a little weird.

“Let us spread this to millions and millions of beautiful people who are waiting for a World Leader to lead the humanity away from wars and conflicts at all levels, away from the darkness in thoughts and emotions to the New Age of Light. This Movement is backed by the World Leader who will appear to all of us at an appropriate time and is now actively working at the Astral plane.”

A world leader?  I think that’s the last thing me need.  Appointing a supreme ruler generally doesn’t bode well for the masses, at least according to history.  Although,  not many dictators, emperors, and monarchs had experience on the Astral plane.  Perhaps I should put that on my resume.  This is starting to sound very…cultish.  I get the distinct feeling this mysterious World Leader is a chubby white guy from Oklahoma with no college education and loads of charisma (why is it never a women leading these nutty cults?).  I could be wrong though.  Perhaps our supreme leader will bring peace on Earth in the near future.  However, I doubt it.  The only way to ensure world peace for humanity would be to eliminate all of most of our species, either through extermination or artificial selection, or perhaps mandatory lobotomies.  But hey, I could be wrong.  How do we convince this brilliant astral entity to grace humanity with his/her/its wisdom?

“All that we have to do is to just channel and spread the Light which is above us in a subtler realm daily for seven minutes when we wake up and go to bed.”

Well it sounds easy, but how do channel this magnificent realm?

“Do not worry about any technique. A plain request is enough. The Light will flow through us. The Light has Intelligence, Power and the Future. The Light has everything.”

Well, before I invite this Light to flow through my innards, maybe you could tell me more about it.  I mean, what is the Light, anyway?

“Light is the Creative Intelligence behind the Creation. Light is the formless God. Light carries within it Love, Wisdom and Energies. This Light is not the physical light. It is very subtle and pervades the higher subtler realms. It can be accessed by thought, Meditation and by extending our Awareness.”

Ah, so Light=God.  Well lets just call it what it is then.  Go back and read the quotes, but this time replace Light with God.  How does it sound?  Sounds like plain old theism to me, mixed with a hint of New Age western gibberish.  There is nothing unique or special about the message here.  The message is nothing more than “Believe in Light God, it will solve all our problems.”  Face it folks, there is no quick and easy answer to world peace.

– Chalmer

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34 Comments »

  1. Highly cynical stuff, dude. I don’t see anything funny, wierd or cultish in what those guys are trying to say. The power of mass prayers is well documented and proven to have positive effects, so are the experiments carried out in the fields of the paranormal. I guess, you need to have an open mind and not reject something outright, picking up on specific ideas that don’t fit with ones worldview.

    Comment by Patreshi | February 6, 2009

  2. After visiting to

    http://blueollie.wordpress.com/2009/02/05/daily-kos-the-president-strikes-back/#comment-31157

    and visit here, OMG, hehehe….as I told previously that this blog is very inspiring hence so interesting to be visited.

    Here I find a new definition “Light=God”, but this is not important for me whether hehe… the keyword is correct or not.

    Now, I am more interested to the subject of light, in which according to our teacher it contains of electric and magnetic fields, where in free space both of fields propagate perpendicular of each other, weren’t there.

    Next, I invite you all here visit to

    http://trevorpythag.wordpress.com/2009/01/22/equations-of-motion/

    On the above math blog, I will discuss a simpliest way of solving mathematics model for harmonically motion, that is of form :

    s”(t) + [(2*pi*f)^2]*S = 0

    What is the primary message from the nice model?
    We are all together like Adam and Eve must life and living in this world harmonically of each other. How about you all?

    Happy with you,

    Denaya Lesa.

    Comment by Denaya Lesa | February 6, 2009

  3. Well, if people like you occasionally backed up your claims with things like evidence (documents) and justification, maybe I wouldn’t be so cynical.
    – Chalmer

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | February 7, 2009

  4. Patreshi, to further Chalmer’s point; when you state things like “The power of mass prayers is well documented and proven to have positive effects.” You must understand that simply stating it isn’t evidence, furthermore I can show that your claim is false. A study done by the Mayo Clinic of the power of prayer was shown to do nothing, in fact, worse than nothing. The patients that were being prayed for did worse, not better, than those not being prayed for. Also, if mass prayer does work so incredibly well, as you claim it does, why is it that it hasn’t been incorporated as the main form of treatment for the myriad of diseases and injuries seen in hospitals worldwide? Answer: Prayer doesn’t work because prayer is a superstition just like the four leaf clover and god exists in the same way dragons and ghosts do…in one’s imagination.

    Joel

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | February 7, 2009

  5. Dear All,

    Denaya is very glad, coz this contra religion’s blog now can be browsed from math blog’s Barack Obama supported, that is from this address

    http://blueollie.wordpress.com/2009/02/05/daily-kos-the-president-strikes-back/#comment-31157

    Of course, if you all have spare time, Denaya invites you to visit the blog and leaving some comments for my posts.

    I promise, next time Denaya will post the relation of maths to the relegion aspect at this article.

    Thank you for your attention,

    Denaya Lesa.

    Comment by Denaya Lesa | February 11, 2009

  6. Well, as I promised previously, Denaya will explain the relation of math with relegion.

    But, before Denaya begins with it, Denaya would to thank @Metro State Atheists et al who accept Rohedi’s Family in posting the new idea in creating the solver problem of mathematics such as Stable Modulation Technique (SMT) and Rohedi’s Formula as it’s the main product. Thank’s All.

    Okay, like Mr.Rohedi said at

    http://castingoutnines.wordpress.com/2008/12/10/leibniz-on-112/,

    before he begun his discussion about what it means for 1+1 to equal 2 and how their concept of divinity plays into ideas of several experts of mathematics, such as Leibnitz, Bertrand Russell, and others, Denaya
    doesn’t want to polarize the confidence in my religious beliefs (Rohedi’s Family in Moslem) with you all. Denaya purposes only to complete your discussion, when the relation between math and religion is regarded to be important. Denaya believes all of you here agree with me, so Denaya will immediately start to this purpose.

    All rights,
    The human on the earth surface that pioneered by Adam and Eve are life harmonically of each others, that mathematically this has been described by sinusoidal functions that are in combining sine and cosine functions as Dave’s explanation at

    http://trevorpythag.wordpress.com/2009/01/22/equations-of-motion/, where the expression

    s(t)=so*cos(10t)+vo*sin(10t)/10

    can be generalized in the following form

    s(t)= A*cos(ωt)+B*sin(ωt)

    You know that both of sinusoidal functions can be written in unity form, that is in Euler number e^(ix)=cos(x)+i*sin(x) where i=√-1, as Rohedi’s Family have been posted at

    http://trevorpythag.wordpress.com/2008/12/23/trigonometry-identities/

    while if we remember again to our phyloshopi’s teacher that the Euler number has been commonly called as Natural Number. Of course Denaya may take a conclusion that the Euler number is the representation of human being naturally on this world.

    Okay, Denaya waits your comments and please continue your discussion. Now, Denaya is preparing the integration technique for solving s”(t)=-(ω^2)s(t) that will be posted in this article.

    Regards,
    Denaya Lesa.

    Comment by Denaya Lesa | February 16, 2009

  7. I find it almost impossible to take seriously any of these three things:

    Mention of the astral plane without a definition of same.

    Attempts to ascribe human-like qualities to inanimate things without defining those qualities in such a way as to be applicable to inanimate things.

    People who talk about themselves only in the third person.

    I think I’ve covered everything in the article and comments that actually irritates me. Other than that, this seems like a strange attempt to market something vaguely religious to children of the 70’s. Dun give them your bank account number ^_^

    Comment by Zoe Gagnon | February 20, 2009

  8. Thanks Zoe

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | February 20, 2009

  9. @Metro State Atheists and All,

    Before Denaya posts the answer of s”(t)=-(ω^2)s(t) using integration technique, now I guides you all how to know your contribution in cybernet.

    Because my father Mr.Rohedi is physicsists, of course Denaya borrows his tool, that is http://physics-live.org/.

    Denaya starts with typing a term that has been popular in communities of Sains and Technology (for example for Physics and Electrical Engineering), that is the keyword “stable modulation”.

    The following it’s searching results

    Results 1 – 10 of about 3,470,000 for stable modulation with Safe search on. (0.14 seconds)

    powered by google

    eqworld.ipmnet.ru • View topic – Stable Modulation Technique (SMT)10 posts – Last post: 23 Oct 2008
    The wordpress has been launched especially to introduce a so-called SMT (shortened from Stable Modulation Technique) as alternative …
    eqworld.ipmnet.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34 – Similar pages

    eqworld.ipmnet.ru • View topic – Stable Modulation Technique (SMT)3 posts – Last post: 20 Jan
    Recently I have been developing a new method so-called SMT (stable modulation technique) for solving first order ordinary differential …
    eqworld.ipmnet.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34&start=30 – Similar pages
    More results from eqworld.ipmnet.ru »

    Introducing Stable Modulation Technique for Solving an …5 Sep 2008 … In this paper we introduced a so-called Stable Modulation Technique (SMT) which is able to solve a first order nonlinear differential …
    rohedi.wordpress.com/2008/09/…/introducing-stable-modulation-technique-for-solving-an-inhomogeneous-bernoulli-differential-equatio… – Similar pages

    If you would like to know Denaya’s mapp, hehehe of course you must type the keyword denaya lesa isn’t it.

    Okay @Metro State Atheists, maybe you are also interested to this good job, let type for example the keyword “the existence of god” and don’t type the keyword metrosate atheists, coz uncle google knows your name directly.

    Thanks you All and bye bye…
    Denaya Lesa.

    Comment by Denaya Lesa | February 22, 2009

  10. Thank you Denaya,
    “Metro State Atheists” yielded about 5200 results in google. “existence of god” yielded about 1,500,000 results.
    I’m curious, Deynaya, as to why you promote your father’s work as you do. It is somewhat unusual. I’m not trying to be rude; I’m just curious.
    – Chalmer

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | February 22, 2009

  11. Hehehe…congratulation @Metro State Atheists, my predict is true that your blog has known on the world via google’s good views .

    @Metro State Atheists and All, really Denaya now a student on 2nd class secondary school at “SMPN 30” Surabaya, east Jawa,Indonesia. When my math teacher tasked me to browse the subject of phytagorean theorem from google, Denaya remembered to my father’s post about SMT at eqworld.ipmnet.ru and Denaya tried to type the key word “bernoulli differential equation” on http://physics-live.org/, and OMG, google displays :

    Web Results 1 – 10 of about 51,900 for bernoulli differential equation with Safesearch on. (0.03 seconds)

    9. Bernoulli Differential Equation « ROHEDI Laboratory
    15 Oct 2008 … Solving of Bernoulli differential equation traditionally always is done applies linearization procedure by using Bernoulli transformation …
    rohedi.wordpress.com/tag/bernoulli-differential-equation/ – Similar pages

    Further, Denaya continuies by typing the keyword “planck formula”, and google displays:

    Web Results 1 – 10 of about 133,000 for planck’s formula with Safesearch on. (0.02 seconds)

    5. Plancks Formula — Blogs, Pictures, and more on WordPress
    rohedi wrote 4 months ago : A New Planck’s Formula of Spectral Density of Black-body Radiation by Means of AF(A) Diagram This … more → …
    wordpress.com/tag/plancks-formula/ – Similar pages

    According to Mr.Rohedi, Bernoulli Differential Equation and Planck Formula are the two keywords that very popular in the world science communities. So, Denaya resumes that my father has been famous on the world, because his paper always displayed by google on the first page as you see. Since that time, Denaya would be inspired to his excellent work. Surely, Denaya is very luck than my friends, coz my father Mr.Rohedi is a lecturer physics. Although Denaya is a student of secondary school, but I customarily read basic physics and basic math for college, of course Denaya borrows my father’s book. So, Denaya understands about some of basic important formulation.

    When succeeded in sending a comment about Pythagoras relation on
    http://dreamofdestiny.wordpress.com/2008/12/31/pythagorean-triple-part-0/#comment-382
    Denaya offeres my self to help Mr.Rohedi in promoting his Stable Modulation Technique (SMT) that until now has been posting at

    http://eqworld.ipmnet.ru/forum/viewforum.php?f=2,

    to promote directly from one math blog to another , and Mr.Rohedi agrees with my purpose. You know, Mr.Rohedi now is busy in preparing his paper to be submitted on math journal. Denaya knows that metro state atheists is not math blog, but I believe that @metro state atheists et all will be glad when your blog also knowing as non math blog that also contribute on the new math theory after Rohedi’s Family posts here, isn’t it.

    Okay, hopefully this post can answer why Denaya promotes my father’s works although as you told previously this is unusual way.

    Thanks you for your attention,
    Denaya Lesa.

    Comment by Denaya Lesa | February 24, 2009

  12. Denaya,
    I’m pleased that you enjoy the blog, and we at MSA, as promoters of science and education, are happy to contribute in mathematics. Thank you for responding to my inquiry.
    As a chemistry student, I’m familiar with Plank’s formula, as well as block body radiation. I look forward to reading “A New Planck’s Formula of Spectral Density of Black-body Radiation by Means of AF(A…” as soon as I have time. Always happy to have you around,
    – Chalmer

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | February 24, 2009

  13. @Chalmer at MSA

    Thanks you for the opportunity for me and Rohedi’s Family in promoting a new mathematics idea especially for supporting mathematical tools needed for development the recent of science and technology.

    You know, one of the product of SMT is the new Planck’s Formula of black-body radiation’s spectral density

    U(T) = 0.5 ћω [ tanh{0.5ћω /kT – iП/2} – 1]

    that according to Mr.Rohedi the formula is more complete in explaining the corresponding phenomenon than the usual Planck’s formula

    U(T) = ћω / [exp(ћω /kT) – 1]

    Next, Denaya informs you, that after typing the keyword “Bernoulli Integral” on http://physics-live.org/, uncle google will as soon as display

    %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
    Web Results 1 – 10 of about 63,900 for Bernoulli integral with Safesearch on. (0.19 seconds)

    2.Bernoulli integral and conservation of velocity circulation in …
    Then the Bernoulli integral for the atmosphere takes the form P0 + pG = eonst. Subtracting this from the ordinary Bernoulli integral for a moving fluid and …
    http://www.springerlink.com/index/UTL70K31V1277725.pdf
    by VB Gorskii – 1978 – Related articles

    4.Introducing Bernoulli Integral For Solving Some Physical Problems …
    15 Oct 2008 … This paper introduces Bernoulli integral to complete the Tables of Integral for all of the Mathematical Handbooks. …
    rohedi.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/introducing-bernoulli-integral-for-solving-some-physical-problems/ – Similar pages
    %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

    @Chalmer,

    Denaya always would to thank my God that to become Rohedi’s idea has known so many people on the world. Denaya always pray all of Rohedi’s formula to be useful for developing the New Science Future.

    Okay, @Chalmer and All, thanks you for your attention, and see you later..

    Denaya Lesa.

    Comment by Denaya Lesa | February 27, 2009

  14. @Chalmer et al..at MSA,

    Thanks you for the opportunity for me and Rohedi’s Family in promoting a new mathematics idea, especially for supporting mathematics tools needed for development the recent of science and technology.

    You know, one of the product of SMT is the New Planck’s Formula of black-body radiation’s spectral density

    U(T) = 0.5 ћω [ tanh{0.5ћω /kT – iП/2} – 1]

    that according to Mr.Rohedi the formula is more complete in explaining the corresponding phenomenon than the usual Planck’s Formula

    U(T) = ћω / [exp(ћω /kT) – 1]

    Next, Denaya informs you, that after typing the keyword “Bernoulli Integral” on http://physics-live.org/, uncle google will as soon as display

    %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
    Web Results 1 – 10 of about 63,900 for Bernoulli integral with Safesearch on. (0.19 seconds)

    2.Bernoulli integral and conservation of velocity circulation in …
    Then the Bernoulli integral for the atmosphere takes the form P0 + pG = eonst. Subtracting this from the ordinary Bernoulli integral for a moving fluid and …
    http://www.springerlink.com/index/UTL70K31V1277725.pdf
    by VB Gorskii – 1978 – Related articles

    4.Introducing Bernoulli Integral For Solving Some Physical Problems …
    15 Oct 2008 … This paper introduces Bernoulli integral to complete the Tables of Integral for all of the Mathematical Handbooks. …
    rohedi.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/introducing-bernoulli-integral-for-solving-some-physical-problems/ – Similar pages
    %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

    Again, according to Mr.Rohedi that Rohedi’s version of the two Bernoulli Integral form, not only can create both of Planck’s Formula, but also can be used to create and justifying another integral, even it’s can also create the Euler formula exp(±ix)=cos(x)±i*sin(x) by simple way.

    @Chalmer et al,

    Denaya always would to thank my God that to become Rohedi’s idea has known so many people on the world. Denaya always pray all of Rohedi’s formula to be useful for developing the New Science Future.

    Okay, @Chalmer and All, thanks you for your attention, and see you later..

    Denaya Lesa.

    Comment by Denaya Lesa | February 27, 2009

  15. Thanks MSA that also curios to mathematics education.

    Comment by Jeff | February 27, 2009

  16. Metro State Atheists, when you discuss the relation math with relegion in particular?

    Comment by Akhmed Adib | February 28, 2009

  17. Akhmed,
    I don’t know if we have discussed the issue directly before, but I do think it would be an interesting discussion. For example, we could relate the mathematical quantity of infinity to God. We could logic discuss the nature of mathematics and logic.

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | February 28, 2009

  18. @MSA,

    Denaya is proud with your answer for Akhmed’s question. After reading the opportunity MSA’s blog discuss the topic of math to the religion relationship, I searched the keyword “relation math with religion” via my mobile handpone using http://www.google.co.id, and the following it’s results:

    Web
    Urutan 1 – 10 dari sekitar 2,780,000 hasil telusur untuk relation math with relegion. (0.21 detik)

    1.Light=God « Metro State Atheists
    Denaya purposes only to complete your discussion, when the relation between math and religion is regarded to be important. Denaya believes all of you here
    metrostateatheists.wordpress.com/2009/02/04/lightgod/

    2.Differential Equations: How they relate to Calculus. « Metro State
    This is my first mathematics paper. It is on how differential equations relate to calculus. Any constructive criticism by those in the field is encouraged.
    metrostateatheists.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/differential-equations-how-they-relate-to-calculus/
    3.Indian Pakistan Relations: Vol 10 [Archive]:
    Hinduism gave great wealth of knowledge in terms of science, mathematics and religion to the rest of the world. This is the true strength of culture and …
    hindustan.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-908.html

    Wow MSA, nearly three million of the keywords “relation math with religion”, it’s so many people on the world that focus to discussion here. Denaya and my father promise to support the solution of math models that required on the next discussion.

    Okay,..congratulation MSA.

    Denaya Lesa.

    Comment by Denaya Lesa | February 28, 2009

  19. Ok, so I guess I’ll start. It is often asserted bu proponents of intelligent design that, from a simple set of laws or rules, it impossible for complexity to occur. In other words, a simple system can not give rise to a seemingly and relatively complex one. However, we find in mathematics that by establishing a simple set of parameters we can produce complex manifestations, such as fractal ferns, or cellular simulations like The Game of Life. They also say this violates information theory, as more information is present in the whole than in the parts, even though information is said to be neither created nor destroyed. However, the manifest complexity is the product of simple interactions and the information, therefore, is not new. Thoughts?
    – Chalmer

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | March 1, 2009

  20. All right @Chalmer and All,

    In order to start the discussion about the relation of math with religion, Denaya remembers to Euler number that according me it’s suitable as one of the math models, especially to show that all of human are also origin from the human, not from monkey as explained on Darwin theory. This is proved after Adam and Eve get married, they have sons and daughter that also in form of the human. After reading differential equation, Denaya thinks that the birth of human is suitable to be modelled by differentianting the euler number that we know it’s form in exponential. Then I searched on the internet the keyword “exponential-differential-equation” on http://physics-live.org, and finding

    Web Results 1 – 10 of about 2,230,000 for exponential-differential-equation with Safesearch on. (0.17 seconds)

    1.Introducing a Differential EquationIntroducing a Differential Equation. Growth and Decay Phenomena. Applications of the Exponential Functions and Logarithms. Remember the Exponential function …
    http://www.ugrad.math.ubc.ca/coursedoc/math100/notes/diffeqs/intro.html

    4.The Exponential Differential Equation « The Unapologetic Mathematicianwhich is our new definition of the exponential function. The differential equation motivates the series, and the series gives us everything else we need. …
    unapologetic.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/the-exponential-differential-equation/
    %%%%%%%

    OMG…, after visiting to this link

    http://unapologetic.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/the-exponential-differential-equation/

    Denaya meets comment of my father Mr.Rohedi that is at 3rd comment, please read it..

    @ Chalmer,
    As you see, the differential of exponential number is also back into exponential form. And after checking again into calculus’s book, Denaya finds that the differetial of y=a*exp(bx) is in the form dy/dx=a*b*exp(b*x). Maybe this is a reason why we are not precise equal with our parents. What do you think about this model? Of course another people have another math models in associating the relation math with religion.

    Okay All, Denaya waits your comments…
    See you later, coz Denaya is going to school.

    Comment by Denaya Lesa | March 2, 2009

  21. Denaya,
    Thank you for the thoughtful comment. It is true that the growth of most organisms can be depicted by an exponential function. However, the observed growth of organisms usually deviates from this pattern in response to environmental selection factors. For example, bacteria, when introduced to a new media, have several stages of growth, beginning with the lag phase, wherein little growth occurs. Then, during the aptly names log phase, bacterial growth increases exponentially. However, this growth soon reaches an equilibrium such that it equals the rate of death. Our species is still in the log phase.
    So, if we assume Euler’s number as a model for life, we would need to disregard experimental data.
    In response to Mr. Rohedi, I would say that we already know why offspring are not identical to their parents, especially in the case of humans. The mechanism for this variation is recombination and crossing over during meiosis, which ensures that you receive genes from both parents.
    – Chalmer

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | March 2, 2009

  22. Well @MSA,

    I give additional information all visitors here
    about the exact value of Pi number in Golden Ratio (Phi) expression, that I’ve just posted on

    http://eqworld.ipmnet.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=157,

    Maybe this useful for further discussion about developing mathematics based on religion.

    Best Regards,
    Rohedi.

    Comment by Rohedi | April 16, 2009

  23. The link between Phi and Pi is interesting, if rather tortured in a way. I certainly wouldn’t take the fact that you can derive one number from another in mathematics as any sort of proof of or basis for religion, however. The manipulability of numbers has long been known, and any number may be derived from any other given a complicated enough process. This does not in itself present any argument for supernatural influence in mathematics, nor does it show that mathematics is supernatural itself. Rather, it shows that numbering systems and the operations on them are internally consistent.

    Some of the mathematical terms in that link above are used rather poorly also. A transcendental number is not such because it contains an irrational number. If this were true, then 2 would be transcendental, since it contains the square root of 2 also.

    Comment by Zoe Gagnon | April 17, 2009

  24. @Zoe Gagnon, thanks for your comment.

    I know about the transcendental number from
    http://mathworld.wolfram.com/TranscendentalNumber.html.

    The following a part of its explanation.

    “A transcendental number is a (possibly complex) number that is not the root of any integer polynomial, meaning that it is not an algebraic number of any degree. Every real transcendental number must also be irrational, since a rational number is, by definition, an algebraic number of degree one”.

    According to the above definition, clearly that the Pi number is one of the transcendental number,isn’t it.

    Okay I agree with you that the square root of 2 is irrational number, but not for 2 because algebraically has number of degree one”.

    Comment by Rohedi | April 17, 2009

  25. “According to the above definition, clearly that the Pi number is one of the transcendental number,isn’t it.”

    This is of course not clear in any way. Because of the general difficulty of proving a negation, this proof is in no way obvious, especially within the context of a discussion on religion. Using words such as “clearly” amount to nothing more than general intellectual laziness in this part, especially when the further ploy of focusing on minutiae and ignoring the major argument has already been taking.

    Comment by Zoe Gagnon | April 17, 2009

  26. @Zoe Gagnon,

    Please consider my Pi exact formula in Golden Ratio (Phi) expression carefully. There are sqrt(2/(1+sqrt(5)) and sqrt(2/(sqrt(5)-1) that too difficult to be calculated, although the method of finding square root of any positive numbers is available, for example using a so- called Calandra Method. This reason that why I need guidance from my God to give me a new idea to calculate both Pi and Phi numbers until unlimited number.

    Comment by Rohedi | April 18, 2009

  27. The more you protest your argument, the more fractured it becomes. Rather than the mathematical manipulations, you claim that god led you to this link between pi and phi. However, in other postings of yours on http://eqworld.ipmnet.ru, you show that this is actually a generalized formula for any two numbers a and b, where a < b. At this point, your argument that this defines a special relationship between these two numbers is nullified. Now, you claim that the value (1+sqrt(5))/2 is too difficult to calculate, but then you use this same value as the input to the function relating to pi, which is also self defeating. Finally, while the formula you mention is sufficient to produce the *angle* pi, such that pi radians = 180 degrees, it does not produce the *constant* pi. Performing the computation shown for any a and b with a < b does in fact yield 180 degrees, which is defined as pi radians to make it simple to deal with arc length. By definition, the arc length of the of one half of the unit circle, representing 180 degrees of arc, is pi. So, your formula, while interesting, is not terribly descriptive. Additionally, your given convergence is quite a bit slower than that of other commonly used systems for calculating values of pi, such as the Chudnovsky algorithm. Finally, if you wanted to find a relationship between phi and pi, why not go with the much simpler: phi = 2cos(pi/5)?

    Comment by Zoe Gagnon | April 18, 2009

  28. The nice discussion @Zoe Gagnon

    ——————
    you claim that god led you to this link between pi and phi.
    ——————-
    Oh I do not claim that, but after posting my Pi Exact formula then I only would show the nice of my Pi exact formula when it is represented in the golden ratio (Phi) expression.

    ——————————-
    However, in other postings of yours on http://eqworld.ipmnet.ru, you show that this is actually a generalized formula for any two numbers a and b, where a < b. At this point, your argument that this defines a special relationship between these two numbers is nullified.
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    I need your help, please check on the internet whether my exact formula for the Pi number is new as so far you know? And I am waiting your searching result.

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    Now, you claim that the value (1+sqrt(5))/2 is too difficult to calculate, but then you use this same value as the input to the function relating to pi, which is also self defeating.
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    I meant, If somebody would calculate the pi value using my Pi exact formula by inserting the golden ratio as its variable, but there is still any problem especially when calculating is performed by hand, because it is not easy to calculate the value of sqrt(2/(1+sqrt(5))), except you can help me. Let’s look be carefully, there is square root calculation under other square root.

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    Finally, while the formula you mention is sufficient to produce the *angle* pi, such that pi radians = 180 degrees, it does not produce the *constant* pi. Performing the computation shown for any a and b with a < b does in fact yield 180 degrees, which is defined as pi radians to make it simple to deal with arc length. By definition, the arc length of the of one half of the unit circle, representing 180 degrees of arc, is pi. So, your formula, while interesting, is not terribly descriptive.
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    I think all of you here understand that the calculation of Pi number when involving trigonometric functions generally has been performed in radian.

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    Additionally, your given convergence is quite a bit slower than that of other commonly used systems for calculating values of pi, such as the Chudnovsky algorithm.
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    Please wait my publication to math journal.

    _______________________________________
    Finally, if you wanted to find a relationship between phi and pi, why not go with the much simpler: phi = 2cos(pi/5)?
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    I don’t find anything from phi = 2cos(pi/5) as your advise, except a new difficulty because the Pi number in the cosine function now is discussing with you. But when using the golden ratio, from my Pi exact formula somebody can justify that sum of the two angles on right triangle be always equal pi/2.

    Thanks also for @MSA, I think this discussion as early review of my publication.

    Best Regards,
    Rohedi.

    Comment by Rohedi | April 18, 2009

  29. The nice discussion @Zoe Gagnon

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    you claim that god led you to this link between pi and phi.
    ——————-
    Oh I do not claim that, but after posting my Pi Exact Formula, then I would show the nice of Rohedi’s Pi Exact Formula when it is represented in expression of Phi Golden Ratio.

    ——————————-
    However, in other postings of yours on http://eqworld.ipmnet.ru, you show that this is actually a generalized formula for any two numbers a and b, where a < b. At this point, your argument that this defines a special relationship between these two numbers is nullified.
    —————————————–
    Yes,even by small trick Machin’s Formula can be reduced to my general Pi formula. When you use a=1, and hence b=sqrt(2) you will prove as soon as that pi=2*(pi/4+pi/4). Of course by constrain both a and b are positive numbers you don’t substitute a=0 and b=0, because 0/0 is Not a Number or NaN. Oh yeah, please check on the internet to clarify whether my exact formula for the Pi number is new or not.

    ————————————
    Now, you claim that the value (1+sqrt(5))/2 is too difficult to calculate, but then you use this same value as the input to the function relating to pi, which is also self defeating.
    ——————————
    I meant, If somebody would calculate the pi value using my Pi exact formula by inserting the Golden Ratio Phi as its input, there is still any problem because it is not easy to calculate the value of sqrt(2/(1+sqrt(5))), except you can help me. Let’s look be carefully, there is square root calculation under other square root. Calculate using numerical method such as using the usual Newton Rapshon method, you will face a new problem with your initial guess, except you use my root finder (null guess) that soon as to be published, please visit to http://blueollie.wordpress.com/2009/02/05/daily-kos-the-president-strikes-back/ to look my introductory promotion via my daughter Denaya Lesa.

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    Finally, while the formula you mention is sufficient to produce the *angle* pi, such that pi radians = 180 degrees, it does not produce the *constant* pi. Performing the computation shown for any a and b with a a, while creating the Pi number until unlimited decimal place will be explained in detail in my publication.

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    Additionally, your given convergence is quite a bit slower than that of other commonly used systems for calculating values of pi, such as the Chudnovsky algorithm.
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    You may claim that, I am very happy because you’ve calculated the pi number using my Pi exact Formula. But at my publication to math journal, I will show that the new Pi exact formula important to be considered.

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    Finally, if you wanted to find a relationship between phi and pi, why not go with the much simpler: phi = 2cos(pi/5)?
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    Oh, don’t forget we are in position to calculate pi number. But if you would calculate the golden ratio using your formula phi = 2cos(pi/5) you will find some troubles because now the pi value that will be used is discussed here.

    Okay @Zoe Gagnon thanks for your discussion, I think the discussion about my Pi exact formula must be stopped here, because full paper of the formula now in submiting process to The Mathematics magazine of MAA that advised by Prof.Autar Kaw my senior colleague from University of South Florida,

    please click this link:

    http://autarkaw.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/comparing-two-series-to-calculate-pi/,

    and of course thanks also for @MSA.

    Best Regards,
    Rohedi.

    Comment by Rohedi | April 19, 2009

  30. Maybe this is a stupid thing to say, but I’m not a mathematician, I hope you can forgive.

    Can’t you calculate pi by dividing the circumference of a circle by its diameter? This seems easier to me than, well, all they stuff you two have been saying.

    – Chalmer

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | April 19, 2009

  31. Chalmer,

    That is indeed how pi is defined, the difficulty from that comes in two places, though. First is that it is quite difficult to actually measure around a circle with any accuracy at all. So, this method works well for a good estimate of pi, and in fact was how they discovered the initial values known. The difficulty, however, is that in pursuing many digits, the inaccuracy of a measuring tape or other measuring system overwhelms the smallest bits, and you can’t find any more digits. This method works well for anyone who just needs to calculate something with a basic estimate of pi, though.

    The second difficulty is more philosophical, but poses a bigger problem for mathematicians. That is, in pure mathematics, you learn not to trust the real world. Measurements and graphs can give you an intuitive understanding of a subject, but cannot be used in logical proof of it. No matter how perfectly you draw your circle, it will still be off compared to the mathematical ideal of a circle. In the same way, an exact value for pi must be found in a way that satisfies this pure logic requirement. So, while it is possible to calculate the first 5 or 6 digits of pi from measurement, it is neither practical nor desirable to attempt to calculate the first 100,000,000 digits.

    Hope this has cleared some things up ^_^

    Comment by Zoe Gagnon | April 20, 2009

  32. Rohedi:

    After further investigation into the links you have provided as a tool for establishing your credibility, I have come to doubt your very identity. It is strange that on the website of your “colleague” and “advisor” Dr. Kaw, you chose to communicate with him through the comments section, rather than in an e-mail or other private communication, as would be expected from someone familiar with the competitive world of mathematics research. Additionally, and more tellingly, you also presented your pi idea through the comments on http://rohedi.com/content/view/34/26/ the actual web-site of Dr. Rohedi. If you truly are this person, whom you claim to be in several instances, it is most puzzling that you would need to post your thoughts in the comments of your own website. Therefore, considering both the depth and spread of hoaxes on the Internet, the ease with which impersonation may occur, and most of all, your total refusal to make sense (an affliction which Rohedi’s papers do not suffer from), I find that I must doubt any claims you make as to your identity, collaborations, or upcoming published works.

    p.s. The fact that you had to ask someone on the Internet where to publish a mathematical paper is especially damning in this instance.

    p.p.s. Good luck with your publishing, as the Mathematical Association of America (MAA) publishes many journals, none of which are actually called “MAA”.

    Comment by Zoe Gagnon | April 20, 2009

  33. Thank you Zoe, your response to me, and analysis of Mr. Rohedi, were both very illuminating.
    – Chalmer

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | April 20, 2009

  34. Interesting…

    Comment by Ayruel Chana | April 22, 2009


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