Metro State Atheists

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Is America a Christian Nation?

This question has been answered many times over by a great many people; most more scholarly than I.  However, it is my goal to show that one need not be a scholar in the subjects of common sense, reason and basic history to know that The United State of America is not a Christian nation.  This is of course in the sense of our foundation, not the population.  If going by population, we might as well call America a white nation as well, which we most certainly; to the dismay of the bigoted.  There are those that assert that say we are a Christian nation because of some recent inclinations of our supposedly secular government to thrust god into the faces and the ears of the public by alluding to “him” on our money and in our Pledge of Allegiance, respectively.  This should concern atheist and Christian alike.  But I digress; why are these recent occurrences cited as evidence for something that long predates there happening?  Simply put, it is because these poor misguided and self-diluted people have absolutely no evidence to go on other than that.  Any sufficiently competent individual who knows even the most elementary workings of the Internet and Google searching can find the evidence necessary to thoroughly disprove nearly every claim dealt by these wish-thinkers.  One need only point to the Treaty of Tripoli- “Authored by American diplomat Joel Barlow in 1796, the following treaty was sent to the floor of the Senate, June 7, 1797, where it was read aloud in its entirety and unanimously approved. John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation.Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”(Source, Emphasis added)  Furthermore, evidence shows that religion forced its way into the places it is now, it wasn’t inherent to the founding of the country.  For instance, “In God We Trust” wasn’t put on the money nor did it become the nation motto until the 1950s; 180 years after the founding of the country. (Source)  There isn’t much more to say on this.  It is clear that we are not a Christian nation by founding, only by population.

 

Joel

February 24, 2009 - Posted by | atheism, Bible, Center For Inquiry, Christianity, evolution, First Century, god, Jesus, Jesus Christ, New Testament, religion, The Holy Bible | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

8 Comments »

  1. Damn Skippy
    – Chalmer

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | February 25, 2009

  2. I may be a Christian. But I am also politically a Libertarian leaner. I believe in separation of Church and state.

    Comment by krissmith777 | March 6, 2009

  3. Good thing.

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | March 7, 2009

  4. kirssmith,
    Most reasonable people believe in separation of church and state.
    – Chalmer

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | March 8, 2009

  5. Chalmer says:

    “Most reasonable people believe in separation of church and state.”

    I agree. In California we had Prop 8 to ban Gay marraige. — I voted AGAINST the ban. I decided to not let my religion affect what I already knew shouldn’t even be a political issue.

    Being a Christian, I do share the usual traditional conviction of not personally agreeing with the gay lifestyle, BUT (and this is a BIG BUT), I also realize that not everyone shares my beliefs.

    I think about it this way: If I were to impose my personal morality on you, I know you wouldn’t appreciate it. — If I were in, let’s say, a Muslim country and if they wanted to impose their morality on me, I realize I would feel the same. If for religious reasons a Muslim government says we must not shave or eat pork on the threat of being arrested, we would consider that tyrany. I guess a better term is “Moral Imperialsm.”

    The Taliban did the same thing, though to a much greater extremety than the Religious Right. — The Religious right in America at the very least won’t kill you if you don’t obey. But it’s still tyranical.

    Comment by krissmith777 | March 8, 2009

  6. Krissmith,
    Its refreshing to hear someone of your persuasion say these things and actually mean them. I so often hear people claim to agree with church/state separation, and then go on promote the imposition of religious principles through law. They don’t seem to notice the contradiction. Although I can sympathize with the position of enforcing moral absolutism through law (if I were a moral absolutist), it opens so many doors for abuse, oppression, and tyranny.
    – Chalmer

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | March 8, 2009

  7. Chalmer=Thomas Paine.

    Comment by Metro State Atheists | March 8, 2009

  8. I just stumbled onto this blog because I’ve written something with the same title (I’m not too creative, I must admit).

    Anyway, you’re right about the logical disconnect among most Christians who want to call America a Christian nation, and impose our beliefs on others through laws.

    As a Christian who is not satisfied with throwing around catchphrases and poor logic, I hope to be able to persuade my fellow believers (and perhaps some unbelievers as well) that there’s a whole lot more to most issues (such as whether we are a “Christian Nation” or not) than meets the eye. Unfortunately, most Christians are pretty shallow about their faith, and reasonable people can see right through that. That doesn’t mean that faith and reason are incompatible, though.

    Comment by honeyandlocusts | June 14, 2009


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